checking charge relay

[kcsoft]

does anyone know how to test the charge relay on a 93 mu outside the car (to confirm alternator is stuffed or not)?????? the system stopped charging, resulting in a flat battery this afternoon.

removed battery lead while running and engine died. just want to confirm this is an alternator problem before i go ripping it out of the car!!

[kcsoft]

ps can i use a rodeo alternator???
i'm guessing i need to swap pulleys and vac pumps??

[pig75]

Rodeo/Jackaroo alternators are a straight bolt in unit. No need to change anything.
There is a good chance you have destroyed the alt by running with the bat disconnected

[kcsoft]

so jackeroo/rodeo ones off a 2.8 will fit??

how would I have destroyed it by removing the battery while running? assuming the alternator wasn't already stuffed?

[geeves]

Older alternators used the battery to control voltage Newer ones have a voltage regulator. If voltage goes to high the stator etc burn out. Its always been good practice to not run an alternator without a battery. This is still true but dont know if its still as dangerous. I wouldnt do it

[pig75]

so jackeroo/rodeo ones off a 2.8 will fit??

Yes but i would use one of a 3.1 jackaroo as it is a 80A and the 2.8 is 50A

[kcsoft]

wiring on rodeo one is a problem, plugs are different (same number of wires) and wire colors are different.

extra hoses on the vac pump and the hose for oil is a different diameter to the mu one.

i think i'll take it to an auto electrician and see if the bushes, slip rings, etc... can be replaced any idea on what that would cost???

[pig75]

I have replaced both alts on my 2.8 MU's same as rodeo/jackaroo never changed a thing straight bolt in

[kcsoft]

I have replaced both alts on my 2.8 MU's same as rodeo/jackaroo never changed a thing straight bolt in

truly? thats quite interesting pig75 as the rodeo one i had (now returned) had different set-up on the vac pump, most fittings could be changed but i had problems with the line that goes to the bottom of the engine. different size hose etc. also it had a big rectangular plug instead of the smaller 3 pin plug. i took it back because it was too much hassle so now i'm going to take the original to an auto sparkie and get it repaired/renewed i'm hoping its just brushes and not a diode pack/rectifier!!

anyways anyone had an alternator repaired?? just want to know cost and what needed replacing.

cheers guys you've been really helpful so far!

[pig75]

It should look like this
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-Holden-Jacka ... 4154ae0e69

[oompalompa]

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anyways anyone had an alternator repaired?? just want to know cost and what needed replacing.

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had the one done in my old 89 bighorn, was just under 500 . that was for a 2nd hand one they checked and tested before swapping and included a new charge relay. that was in christchurch june 2009

[kcsoft]

It should look like this
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/New-Holden-Jacka ... 4154ae0e69

thats the one!!! the one i got, supposedly from a rodeo didn't have the plug in the back it had wires coming out of it. the vac pump is correct on this one too.

[kcsoft]

okay, an update for anyone interested...

i got a new 70A one from ebay, it arrived yesterday.

all is exactly the same except i needed to swap the vac line setup (no biggie). so pig75 my apologies you are correct, the rodeo one is EXACTLY the same. dunno what the wreckers one was off!!
the old one had burned out a stator winding, taking the rectifier with it so too expensive to repair.

the only problem i have now is the auto electrician has lost the plug with the three pins in it and i need to know what goes where. on the isuzu there are 3 wires. the centre one being black and a bigger gauge then the other two white ones (with a stripe i presume). i can imagine the black one being ignition but what are the other two???

I looked in the TF rodeo manual but cannot make any sense of it at all. I also need a pinout of the hitachi alternator which i cannot find anywhere.

[pig75]

This might help

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[pig75]

The S terminal should be a 2mm wire white with black stripe
The L terminal should be a 0.85mm wire white with green stripe
The IG terminal should be a 0.85mm wire black with yellow stripe

[kcsoft]

awesome pig75!!!!!!!!

i was right about the ign wire!! just gotta sort the rest!!!

edit: appears i only looked at the diagram!! oops.. what a dodo

[kcsoft]

ok thanks for the info pig75, i got in touch with my auto electrician and turns out he had my plug!!!

i have printed the image and info you posted and put it into my car folder in the vehicle. good info to know!!!

can i ask where you got the image from??? it's not in any of the manuals geeves provided in gmail.

awesome help here!! i'll be putting some clubisuzu stickers on this mu!!! and probably donate to the forum in the future!!

[kcsoft]

all good now!!! one happy mu owner here!!

now got to get a few more things done and all will be well!!

[pig75]

can i ask where you got the image from??? it's not in any of the manuals geeves provided in gmail.

It was from a trooper manual
I think it's this one http://daemon4x4.org/portal/downloads.php?dcid=5&p=3
(Trooper workshop manual - US LHD models. Engine types: 6VD1, 6VE1, 4JG2, 4JX1.)

[kcsoft]

Cheers, grabbed it for later reference!!