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Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Sat Dec 03, 2011 11:48 pm

I was out having a play the other day and noticed that in low ratio on 'full lock' turning there was a slow clicking coming from the drivers side front wheel..
I'm presuming the free wheeling hubs on the way out..

Does that sound right and if I'm replacing one is it worth doing the other at the same time?

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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby slightlydodgy » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:13 am

More likely cv don't panic mines been clicking and cruching for 2 years now Don't replace with aftermarket get an original from a wrecker (they stronger)
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:23 pm

cheers,
cool probably cheaper to pull and old one off too..
just gotta make sure I get one thats not knackered :)

will it just steadily get worse and louder?

does your only click when on full lock?..
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby slightlydodgy » Mon Dec 05, 2011 6:04 am

Mine clicks as soon as you put it in 4wd - spose I should really get a spare and put it on the bench ready to fit :?
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby geeves » Mon Dec 05, 2011 5:16 pm

Mines had a click for years. Getting it cheap and full of sand was not a wise move. Now it clunks as well when turning. Next time I have the hub apart I will replace it. Original had damage from running on a stuffed needle bearing in the hub and had too much side play in the axle for the seal to keep the water out of the wheel bearing.
If it blows completely you will notice
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Tue Dec 06, 2011 7:59 pm

sounds ominous.. :) will it lock up if it blows or just make a hell of a noise and carry on crunching all the way home?..
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby geeves » Wed Dec 07, 2011 1:57 pm

If it blows one of 2 things happen. It locks and will not turn or it explodes and no connection between wheel and axle. Either way unlock hubs and drive home in 2wd unless you can change it on the track
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 1:34 pm

I'm going to have to replace my l/h inner cv boot as its split, I noticed that the axle has a has about 10-15mm play in and out, way more then the otherside..
do you think I should be looking at replacing it at same time as boot whist I've got it all apart or has it got more life in it you think?

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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby turnturn » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:06 pm

Maybe you have just broken the circlip that holds the outer CV into the hub?
When you move it does the whole CV move or just the axle contained within the boots?
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby geeves » Tue Jul 31, 2012 3:52 pm

Axle is free to move in and out in the inner cv. Its the combination of the circlip the shims under it and a thrust washer in the back of the hub assembly that prevent movement. If you are checking the thrust washer you might as well replace the hub seal and check the needle roller at the same time and repack your wheel bearings. The water in your free wheels likely came in through the hub seal so will of got your wheel bearings as well. This might have something to do with your brake problem as well
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:13 pm

Cheers guys
I just had a check and the outer boot moves with axle in-out as if not properly connected to hub (prob less then 10mm on second look), hopefully just circlip then, I'll have a look when fitting new inner boot, probably worth doing both hub seals then at same time then!?
With needle roller am I just checking for free spinning bearings and obvious wear?

Thanks again
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby turnturn » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:41 am

Part Number 20 (Mu part number 8-94438-650-2, probably the same as Bighorn) is the bearing...From memory it can be a bit hard to inspect while fitted to hub and hard to remove without damaging it. Look for damage on your CV stub where it runs in this bearing.

The seal used to be a two-piece item but I think that it is now a one-piece.
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:27 pm

finally replaced the inner cv boot and the play disappeared :) what a fun job that was cant wait to do it again :)
I did notice when I slid the axle out of hub what looked like a needle bearing in the back of hub looked rooted, whats the easiest way to remove/replace?

got to love 4wd's I fixed a couple of things but noticed 3 more things that need replacing.. typical!!
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby isuzurob » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:42 am

tap the bearing out with a long punch and use a socket to tap it back in be gentle as they are easy to damage, genuine are around 8 dollars i have new spares at home
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 4:50 pm

8 bucks!! might aswell do both! need to do the bearing on the outside of the hub on the otherside, pinion bearing is it?
probably worth doing both bearings both side I suppose..
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby isuzurob » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:05 pm

i do work for holden/isuzu dealer though thats why i have alot of new genuine parts, do you mean wheelbearings?
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby geeves » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:27 pm

in turnturns picture above its no 20 It would be silly not to do the thrust washer 13 and seal 19 at the same time unless they have been done recently.
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby isuzurob » Thu Oct 25, 2012 6:41 pm

i think you have to replace the seal anyway to get the bearing out and thats why the needle roller bearing gets damaged from dirt and water getting in there past the seal
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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby damo667 » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:45 pm

sweet I'll replace them all together then and double check wheel bearings at the time, whats the easiest way to replace them? is it unbolt both ball joints to drop hub assembly then pull the axle out of the back so I can pull out seal and bearing or do I have to go in from the front?

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Re: Free wheeling hub clicking..

Postby geeves » Fri Oct 26, 2012 6:54 pm

3 ball joints. Remember the tie rod
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